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  From Jon, My Brother

  by AllTimeJeff in

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  i had a brother.

  his name was jon.. jon was a sweet, super sensitive guy.

  also, a very tortured soul.

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  paul from cleveland

  Jeff, I don't have the gift of verbalizing my thoughts like you do but I just want to say that your words today have thrown a blanket on my shivering heart.
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  From Jon, My Brother

  by AllTimeJeff in

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  i had a brother.

  his name was jon.. jon was a sweet, super sensitive guy.

  also, a very tortured soul.

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  paul from cleveland

  Thanks Jeff
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  Some Conclusions I Have Reached

  by AllTimeJeff in

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  i wonder if everyone here who has kept up with me since i left jw's realize why i have been coming on here.

  it certainly has been cool to know that some of my experiences and opinions have helped some.

  i hope they know that i have been equally helped by others.. i come here primarily for me.

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  paul from cleveland

  Jeff, I really get a lot out of your thoughts posted here too. Some of them, like the 607 issue, I can't really grasp yet. Not because it's over my head but because my mind is still in too much anxiety to focus right now. I'm in a situation similar to your brother's. I hope you continue to post for a long time.
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  Is The Internet The Worst Thing That Could Happen To The Organization?

  by minimus in

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  the witnesses try to demonize the internet.

  in your opinion is the internet the biggest problem for the watchtower organization?.

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  paul from cleveland

  The internet has been around for awhile and the organization continues to grow.
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  NCC Report: church members outnumber JW's 140 to one

  by moshe in

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  based on a recent 2009 report of church membership in north america by the national council of churches, ncc, jw's are near the bottom of the list with about 1 million members and mainline churches have over 140 million.

  jw's have not had any success in growing any faster than mainline christianity and they are definitely behind the mormons in growth.

  well, this is one statistic you won't see in the wt yearbook.. top 25 churches ranked by membership:.

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  paul from cleveland

  Only eight people got on the ark.
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  In your own words ... what is the truth?

  by sacolton in

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  in one sentence, can you define what the real "truth" is?

  not the watchtower version (we all know what that is)..

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  paul from cleveland

  I believe in absolute truth but that I don't have enough information to know it.
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  To Ex-JWs: Do You Regret Learning it Was a Lie?

  by leavingwt in

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  this question was inspired by a question on another thread.

  to the ex-jw community here,.

  do any of you regret learning that wt is not god's organization?

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  paul from cleveland

  The reason I come here is not so much that I think I'm going to find the answer here. It's more that it's the only place I have to go where people have some idea of what I'm thinking about. I find it helpful to post a thought and get responses. I will stop coming here some day, but not yet.
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  Is this our fate?

  by paul from cleveland in

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  is there fate?

  if so, are we fated to be the bad evil slave?.

  if the bible prophecies that there will be an 'evil slave that falls away and beats his fellow slaves because the master is delaying' doesn't that mean that someone has to fulfill that prophecy otherwise the prophecy would be false?

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  paul from cleveland

  I went to see the doctor yesterday. The only thing I was afraid of, before I went in, was that he might be a Jehovah's Witness and tell me something like: 'Of course your depressed! You left Jehovah!' Thankfully that didn't happen. The conversation went something like this:

  I told him what I was thinking about. That I couldn't stop thinking about religious thoughts. That I think I've lost God's favor and... "Wait" he said, "you think you're going to hell, right?" "Something like that" I said. "That's very common thinking among people of all religions." he said "You can't take the words of Jesus literally. It's all allegory". I said "what about when Jesus talked about the broad road to destruction and the narrow road to life?. Doesn't that mean most people don't have God's favor and are going to die?" "That's not literal" he said "That's the destruction of your mind. Hell is a state of mind... the place you are right now." I said "I keep thinking I'm going to die at armageddon" he said "we're all going to face our own personal armageddons".

  The conversation went on like this for quite awhile. I was kind of surprised because he's a psychiatrist, and I thought they were mainly about chemical imbalances and medications.

  He didn't say whether he thought I was depressed or not. He didn't put me on an anti-depressant because he said sometimes it can make your thoughts of panic get worse. He's having me try a mood stabilizer instead. He also gave me a traquilizer.

  I'm not convinced my thinking is flawed but I'll try this to see if it helps me from always being so down.
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  To Ex-JWs: Do You Regret Learning it Was a Lie?

  by leavingwt in

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  this question was inspired by a question on another thread.

  to the ex-jw community here,.

  do any of you regret learning that wt is not god's organization?

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  paul from cleveland

  AllTimeJeff, you said you didn't want to interfere with the journey I'm on but I want you to interfere. I want to change my thoughts because I'm in a dark place. There was security in the watchtower world view... for awhile, until I realized I couldn't make it work for me. That's what leads me to believe it may not be true... the truth should work for everyone, right? Going from thinking I knew the truth and having a hope to realizing I don't know anything and have no hope is terrifying for me. You've gone from a Gilead graduate and missionary to another place that's working for you. That is the direction I want to go too. Right now I don't feel like I'm on a journey but stuck in one place. I need another philosophy or mental framework to rebuild my life around. That's what I look for.
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  Is this our fate?

  by paul from cleveland in

  1. social
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  is there fate?

  if so, are we fated to be the bad evil slave?.

  if the bible prophecies that there will be an 'evil slave that falls away and beats his fellow slaves because the master is delaying' doesn't that mean that someone has to fulfill that prophecy otherwise the prophecy would be false?

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  paul from cleveland

  Hi Mouthy, Voideater, Kingdavidwasframed, Billy, Nathan, Ynot, Snowbird, linp24, Opus, Noni, flipper, beks, mad, leaving, xmks, PS,

  Thank you for your interest in me. I feel much better knowing you're praying for me Mouthy. The doctors visit went well and I'll tell you about it when I get home from work today. He had some interesting views on the Bible too. (I just took a moment now to log-on here during my lunch break).

  Kingdavidwasframed, you have some powerfully logical arguments. I've never thought of those points before. I like your father.